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Inspirational Indie Author Interview: Nellie Neeman. Author Pens Thrillers, Clean Romances, And Leads Israeli Writing Community

Inspirational Indie Author Interview: Nellie Neeman. Author Pens Thrillers, Clean Romances, and Leads Israeli Writing Community

My ALLi author guest this episode is Nellie Neeman, an author who writes international thrillers under her name and sweet, clean romances as Ellie Hartwood. She uses her thrillers to highlight Israel as a vibrant and resilient country and helps foster a community of writers through her mentorship and leadership.

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Inspirational Indie Author Interview: Nellie Neeman. About the Author

Nellie Neeman grew up on Manhattan’s Upper West Side and now lives in Jerusalem with her husband and their Labradoodle, Lexi. She writes international thrillers under her own name, featuring complex characters and Israeli settings, and sweet, kisses-only romances as Ellie Hartwood, including the popular Fabulous Fifty Club series. A traveler and mentor, Nellie also founded The Jerusalem Writers' Café, fostering a creative expat community. You can find Nellie Neeman here and Ellie Hartwood here.

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Howard Lovy: My guest this episode is Nellie Neeman, an author who writes international thrillers under her name and sweet, clean romances as Ellie Hartwood.

She uses her thrillers to highlight Israel as a vibrant and resilient country, and helps foster a community of writers through her mentorship and leadership. I'll let Nellie Neeman tell her story.

Nellie Neeman: Hi, Howard, thank you so much for having me on your program. My name is Nelly Neeman, and I write in two genres. I write thrillers under my name, and I write sweet romance and romcoms under my pen name, Ellie Hartwood.

My first book, which was Spree, came out in 2020. That's the first book in the John Stedman thriller series, and that came about, it was really a labor of love. I worked on that book for about three years between the writing and the editing, and my most recent and I would say most popular series right now is The Fabulous 50 Club series, which is for considered later in life. The Love Hoax is the first in that series.

I currently have 3 projects. I'm working on the 7th full length rom-com, Hallmark style, kisses-only novel. I'm writing the fifth international thriller, and I'm working on a collaboration of seven romance authors; we're going to rapid release a series in July. So, I have a lot going on.

Howard Lovy: Wow, yeah, you do. That's wonderful. My ear s perked up when you said something about later in life. Some of us are later in life.

I'm 59 years old, so I'll call myself early middle or early late in life. I enjoy books that depict us as something other than caricatures.

Nellie Neeman: I've heard that already from a few readers, but what's funny to me, the reason I was chuckling there, is because later in life in the business is over 40. And I'm like, seriously? I'm 58. Oh my gosh, I'm well past 40, but that's how it's defined. So, we'll go with that.

Howard Lovy: That's how it's defined, yeah. Let's go back in time a little bit. You grew up in Manhattan. Tell me about how you grew up and where you grew up, and was reading and writing always a part of your life?

Nellie Neeman: Yeah, I grew up on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, great state of New York, and it was a great upbringing. I was very blessed to have wonderful parents, and my mom still lives there. I have two siblings.

And yes, to answer that question, reading and writing have always been a huge part of my life. I'd say I've been, as far back as I can remember, coming up with stories of all sorts and just starting them.

I remember my mother, she was a medical secretary. She had this typewriter. I would just sit on the floor in the living room and type on there and try to come up with words. Even if I didn't know how to spell properly, I was doing this from a very young age and you know what, there's something about words. I've always been obsessed with words. So, I love languages. I ended up studying speech pathology because I love languages and speech and everything that goes with words. I love crossword puzzles, any kind of thing like that. I'm just wired like that.

Howard Lovy: Wonderful. So, you pursued speech pathology, and I guess before you became an author, you had a career in that field? So, what drew you to it and what exactly did you do?

Nellie Neeman: Interestingly, I went to school. I got my bachelor’s in economics. So, I worked as a stockbroker for a few years and then I realized, this isn't for me. So, I went back to school. I got a master's in speech pathology, and I did that for 20 years.

I worked with infants, basically birth to three, and I worked on language development, both receptive, expressive language and feeding difficulties. So, I really loved it. It was a great job. It paid the bills, and it was a wonderful period of my life, and a lot of things changed in a short amount of time.

So, I had an upheaval with a variety of things in my life and that led eventually to changing my career, and now I'm writing full time.

Howard Lovy: Right. Speech pathology was obviously a get rich quick scheme after being a stockbroker, right?

Nellie Neeman: Exactly. I realized very quickly that if I wasn't going to change my career to something that I enjoyed, it would be 30 years down the road, and I'd be like, oh my goodness, what have I done with my life?

I'm glad that I made that change, and I'm glad that I made this change. I love writing now. This has always been the dream.

Howard Lovy: Did you always have a manuscript in your desk drawer during your career or did that come later?

Nellie Neeman: I always had the first few chapters of a whole lot of manuscripts. It was never one book. It was just all these ideas would come to me. I'd be on an airplane and come up with an idea, put that down, then forget about it and go to the next thing. Until this story, Spree, and then that kind of just sparked a whole other area of my life.

Howard Lovy: Now, you moved from Manhattan to the Midwest. Did that coincide with your change in career?

Nellie Neeman: Sort of pit stops in the way I lived in Queens. I lived on Long Island, eventually moved out to the Midwest.

Basically, what had happened was I was a single mom bringing up my son, and he was in high school when I met my current husband who lived in Cincinnati. So, I wasn't going to pull him out of school. So, we went back and forth. We got married, went back and forth for a few years till my son graduated.

Once he did, and I had an empty nest, I moved out to Ohio and I learned very quickly that changes don't have to be only scary that really create opportunities, and that's what happened.

I was like, oh my gosh, the top of my bucket list has been writing a book. I've been working on this book, Spree, on and off while I was working as a speech therapist, and I was like, okay, now we're starting over, and I guess I reinvented myself from there. So, that's how the whole thing came to be.

Howard Lovy: So, you reinvented yourself as a writer, but it was always something you had in the back of your mind anyway, right?

Nellie Neeman: I have a literal bucket list on my phone, and I keep adding to it and taking things off, but writing and publishing a book was always at the top, and this was somehow my opportunity to finally do that. My husband is very supportive of this career, and he was even from day one. So, you know what, I wasn't going to miss the chance.

Howard Lovy: So, tell me more about your first book and how that kind of came into the world.

Nellie Neeman: I weirdly remember this because looking back, it was a monumental moment.

It was a Saturday afternoon. We were on Long Island, and I had this idea for a book, and my son and my husband were both there, and I said, listen to this idea, I just want to know what you think.

And they got really excited about it. I wasn't expecting that because in our family, we really say things how they are. If you don't like it, you say you don't like it, and they were both really into it and they were throwing out all kinds of ideas. And I'm like, oh my gosh, and I couldn't let go of this idea for the book.

Sometimes you have these thoughts about a plot and then the next morning, it's gone. This just stuck with me. So, I knew I had to put it down on paper, and for whatever reason, this just made it to the end. It took a really long time, but I did it, and I saw that I could finish the project, and since then, I'm hooked.

Howard Lovy: So, that was your first thriller?

Nellie Neeman: Yes, that was Spree, the first in the John Stedman Thriller series.

And you know what? It's fun because we travel a lot and I always have, but together, my husband and I have been traveling really all over the place.

So, I put all these places into my books, and I could do that with the first book, and then obviously everything after that. Every book I write now has different settings, mostly places we've been, or places that I really want to explore and learn more about.

Like, I wrote about Cuba, and I've never been there, so I had to do a ton of research. So, it makes it extra fun.

Howard Lovy: Why did you choose to go indie, or did you at first try to find a traditional publisher?

Nellie Neeman: Yeah, I probably did the same route a lot of people do. I knew absolutely nothing about publishing when I started, knew nothing about marketing, and in a way it's a blessing because if I did, I don't know if I would have gone through with the whole process.

But yeah, I just assumed you query agents and publishers, and I went to a big conference, Thriller Fest in Manhattan, and I just saw, this is how it seems that you do it. There was never any talk about indie publishing, and so I queried probably 50 agents over a period of time.

I knew from research that it's unlikely to get picked up and that these big companies are emerging. Anyway, people would ask for my manuscript, it never led to anything, and I gave myself a timeline and I said, you know what, if I don't have a deal by then, I'm just going to look into other options.

Then somehow, I found things online about self-publishing. But I had an interaction with another author at thriller fest, and she told me that she did get an agent and she still had to do all of the marketing. They were doing nothing to help her, but she didn't have the rights to her own book. And I was like, what are you talking about?

That right there, something pivoted in my head. Yeah, I'm not looking back. I don't know what would happen now if somebody picked up my work, but the truth is, I don't know. Unless it was an amazing advance. To me, this is amazing. This is just the best way of going about it. I have creative control over everything, and I don't have to answer to anybody, and I just prefer it that way.

Howard Lovy: Yeah. I think it's a question of not just control, in a ‘I need to control everything' kind of way, but just have more of a say in your own work, I think that's a common denominator among all indie authors.

So, your thrillers feature Israel as a setting, and one of your characters is an Israeli geneticist playing a recurring role. So, what inspired you to incorporate Israel into your thrillers, and how do you aim to portray the country in your work.

Nellie Neeman: Yeah, so I have been coming to Israel where I live now. I currently live in Jerusalem. I have lived in different places, but this has always been the dream. So, Israel is a big part of my world and always have been. So, I wanted to incorporate this wonderful miraculous country into my books in a way that showed the reality of it from my eyes and how life is here, as opposed to often what is portrayed, in my opinion, inaccurately in the media.

Not in a, in your face sort of way, but as a backdrop, like you would have any other setting, but how it actually is here. So, that's what I did in the series, the John Stedman thriller series. You will see a lot of scenes based in Israel, and Dr. Terry Levy, who is a geneticist is one of the, like you said, recurring characters.

I don't know, I love her. I'm thinking about maybe doing a spinoff series with her. She has quite the personality and she's not a shrinking violet. She's brilliant. She always helps solve cases and, to me, that, I don't know, I just love her. I want to see where her life is going to take her.

Howard Lovy: Yeah, you can't portray an Israeli as a shrinking violet. That's not in the national character.

Nellie Neeman: Exactly. It's a resilient place here, besides being a beautiful country, a miraculous country, every step you take is a story. Every road here is steeped in history. So, I can just meet anyone, and this happens all the time. I'll meet people around here and everyone comes here from different parts of the world.

Where I live now, you have people from France, South Africa, the UK and Ethiopia, where it's a melting pot, and you get stories wherever you look. So, it's just a wonderful place, and if I can just make another point here about the written word. I have learned over and over in my life, and mostly in the last, I'd say a year and a half, since October 7th, there is a great power to the written word.

I always knew that, but I see that now it can do incredible damage when people don't do their own personal research into something, to just believe things, whether it's online bullying or whether reporting is not honest/ those kinds of things coming from, what I consider to be almost, I don't want to use the word holy, but there's something about the written word that inherently has a power to it, and to adulterate that is very disturbing for me.

So, in my little, tiny way, I'm trying to balance that out and also use words in a therapeutic way, which would lead me, if you ever want to talk about my writer's group, that's really how that came to be.

Howard Lovy: We'll get to your writer's group, but you made Aliyah and those who don't know what that means, it means you immigrated to Israel, and just before the events of October 7, right?

do you feel like, and again I don't want to get political on here, but I think it's a statement of fact that many Israeli writers are facing a kind of a blacklist right now. Is that something that you feel now, or is it something that you push on through?

Nellie Neeman: That's an interesting question because I haven't been feeling it personally, certainly not here where it's the Jewish state, but I have been reading about successful authors. I don't want to mention them here because I don't know who's listening, but I've read of some very successful authors that have been blacklisted or boycotted. I'm sure the same is happening with the publishing companies and other people in the publishing world, and I'm appalled.

I wouldn't say I'm shocked. I know that history repeats itself and we have seen this in history before. So, none of what's happened has been shocking to me. But I feel like somebody has to speak up and do something about it, and in a peaceful but vocal way.

So, this is my way.

Howard Lovy: You're doing it by just portraying Israel as a normal country, without being overly political, or are you overly political?

Nellie Neeman: No, I'm not political at all, because to me this isn't a political issue. To me, this is just being human, and seeing the world and the way it actually is and not how it's being portrayed.

I welcome anyone who feels that they're not sure what the reality is when they hear people speak about Israel to come and visit, come see us. I'll meet you for coffee, and you'll see what it's like here, and I'll show you around and you'll get a sense of what the people are like, and I think your opinions will become something different than what they were before you got here.

Howard Lovy: Has it changed your writing style at all or your writing content since you made Aliyah?

Nellie Neeman: Not really. Interestingly, I've been trying to get this message across in my own way long before October 7th. So, I don't know, I guess Israel is just so ingrained in who I am that it's going to come out no matter what.

I don't think I'm going to change my style of writing going forward, but I'm also not going to shy away if people bring up the topic. I'm open, I have Facebook pages, and people are very much aware that I live here, and in my newsletter, I speak about it, and I'm hoping, again, in my little way, that I'm opening the eyes of people who are at least neutral or curious.

Howard Lovy: Let's put that persona aside for now and talk about your other personality, and that's Ellie Hartwood. It sounds like completely different kind of books. These are Romances, they're light and humorous and they're also what you call clean. So, first define the genre for me and tell me what you write about.

Nellie Neeman: Sure. Maybe it's about a year and a half, two years ago, we were in Florida, and I had this idea for a story. It was not a rom com, it was contemporary romance, and it was a novella length, and I put it down and it was the best feeling in the world to get that out. I got hooked. I think it must have been during the pandemic.

My husband, like I said, just goes along with anything, but I was binge watching all these Hallmark movies. Very formulaic and light, and with everything that was going on in the world, it was just a nice escape. I kept seeing the same beats come up, where you have the kiss at the last second and you have the meet cute in the beginning, and all these things that I was like, you know what, I can write this. So, my husband's like, why don't you try?

So, I started writing rom coms. I wrote the first one that was set in wine country, Napa Valley, California called, Vintage Hearts. That was my first attempt at a full-length novel, and it was just so fun to write. It was a completely different experience than writing the thrillers and it gave me a mental break.

I'm a pantser, so it's not like I'm outlining everything, and the thrillers take so much brain power to strategize all the twists and turns and the red herrings and everything.

Here, I'm writing a linear story that's very breezy, easy, of course, with a twist in there because my thriller brain is never fully off. But it was just so much fun, and people seemed very interested in reading them. So, I put the thrillers on pause now for a bit, and I put out about six full length novels and three novellas in the rom com world, and I keep going back and forth. I'll go back to the thrillers, probably get the fifth one out, I'm 40,000 words in, so I'll probably have that out in the next few months.

Howard Lovy: That's great. It's good to mix things up a little bit. I find that that helps in my work. I write, you know, nonfiction about serious subjects like anti-Semitism, and then my fiction is, I wouldn't call it romance, but it has romance elements in it.

It's good to talk to a fellow pantser, because for that, I know basically who the characters are. I know where I want a chapter to end up, and then I just go, and I let the characters take over.

Nellie Neeman: Exactly.

Howard Lovy: It's a lot of fun.

Nellie Neeman: To me, that's part of the magic. I always find it amazing when people say, I've spent three months plotting out the whole story, and I'm like, but where's the fun in that?

But on the other hand, it probably would make my book come out a whole lot faster. My brain doesn't work like that. With the rom coms, it doesn't matter as much if you are a pantser, because, again, it's just like one storyline, as opposed to a thriller, where you have a lot of things happening at the same time, and, yeah, I have tried outlining. I've tried several methods, and I can't stick with it.

Howard Lovy: It's a lot of fun. A lot of times the characters will surprise you too, and take the plot in a direction you had no idea it was going to go.

Nellie Neeman: Absolutely.

Which author did I hear? I was in Cincinnati and Lee Child spoke about that. He said, when Jack Reacher gets into a bind, he doesn't go back and edit it, he just keeps writing until he finds a way out. That's what I try to do. Just let the characters decide.

Howard Lovy: So, you have two different styles of writing at least, and each one involves their own kind of challenges. You've also, I don't know, did you launch your own writing group, or you joined one?

Tell me about how you exchange tips with other authors.

Nellie Neeman: So, before I moved out here to Jerusalem and I was still living in the States, we lived in Ohio and then Colorado for a bit. I wanted to set a foundation so when I got here, I would have other authors that I can kind of commiserate with. So, I put a post in one of these Facebook groups saying, I'd love to meet other authors, I'm coming this in this time and love to just get to know other people who are doing what I'm doing who are English speakers.

I thought maybe four or five people would respond, and I ended up with over 40 responses, and I decided, okay, there's clearly a need here. So, I started this group called the Jerusalem Writers Cafe. We meet every month. Our next one is actually coming up this coming Sunday evening.

We meet together either in a cafe or in my home. We have over 100, close to 200 members, and usually we'll get about 25 people at a time. It's expats that are English speakers, either Anglo or from other countries, that can write and speak in English, and we get together and we do writing sprints. I'll provide prompts. People get to discuss their work if they choose to at critique sessions, and then I leave it open if people have questions about publishing. Not that I'm the big maven here, but I'm getting the sense that I'm maybe a little bit more ahead in this race. I don't want to call it a race, but you get the idea. I wish that there had been people when I was starting out that could have helped me, and not everyone was so gracious.

So, now I'm if people want my help, I'm happy to meet them and give them whatever knowledge I have so that they can get on their way.

Howard Lovy: Does Israel have a big self-publishing community?

Nellie Neeman: Not really. It's very sporadic. You'll have a few people here, some in Tel Aviv. So, it's not one cohesive community, and I think that was part of how this was filling a need, but it also became almost like therapy session.

People come here and would say, okay, here's the prompt and write about whatever, and then the story would be very clear that they're trying to get out some of their emotions onto the page and sharing very personal stories about how life has been since October 7th here. It became therapy, a very cathartic process. So, it fills a lot of need here. So, I'm going to keep it going for now.

Howard Lovy: Are they primarily nonfiction or fiction writers or a little bit of both?

Nellie Neeman: So, I had been looking for other fiction novelists, but it's really a mix of everybody. We have journalists, a lot of poets, interestingly enough. We have some people who have memoirs out. There are maybe three other novelists, and I have been in touch with people who don't live in Jerusalem, but right now I don't see traveling around the country to meet other people. So, I have done some on Zoom, but the people here in our group, there are very few novelists.

Howard Lovy: So, is trauma almost like the national language right now? Is this what a great many Israeli authors are writing about right now? Or other expat authors?

Nellie Neeman: Yeah, I would say so. There's a collective PTSD here. What's amazing though, is if you're here, you would never in a million years feel that way. You walk down the street on any given day, the cafes are full, people are laughing, kids are running around playing ball. It looks like a totally normal life.

Maybe we're just in the eye of the storm and everything is swirling around us, but it's also a very resilient people. You would never know that's what's happening. But then you meet people on a private way, where somebody's son was killed in action or if somebody's neighbor was hurt, and you realize we're all grieving in our own way

So yes, there have been many authors that I've come across in my group that are writing about this topic, maybe not in a nonfiction way, but they're putting it into their stories.

Howard Lovy: Now, what about the self-publishing process itself? Are there particular challenges in Israel to getting your work out?

Nellie Neeman: So, I do use KDP, and thankfully it's totally fine. When Vella was a thing, that was a little more complicated because it was really based only in the U.S. For those who don't know, Vella's going away. It was the episodic fiction branch of KDP's publishing.

But no, it's fine. The only challenges that I face are for direct sales, which I'm picking up on my website, and that could create an issue because to get books delivered here is not so simple, and it's quite pricey. So, for now, I have had some delivered here, some delivered to the states.

We go to the states on a regular basis, or we have friends and family that come, and they'll bring books for me that I can sign and sell here. But, yeah, it's really not that bad. I feel very blessed that I can continue doing what I was doing in the States from here.

Howard Lovy: What are some of the biggest questions that you get from other authors with regards to self-publishing?

Nellie Neeman: I find that a lot of the people that are asking me questions have absolutely zero knowledge. They're like, what do I use to get it out there? And I'm like, okay, let's go to step one. You want to have your manuscript ready and edited, and then in my case, I'll try to push KDP because I could do it remotely from here, and I explain to them where they need to go, what they have to do to set up all the metadata. They really don't know much about it at all.

The ones that are published, and there are quite a few, either came from different countries and they navigated it back in their home countries, or I don't know, I don't think there is anything like vanity press here. So, I'm not really sure. It's a good question, but the ones that are coming to me with their questions, they really don't even know where to begin.

Howard Lovy: So, what about your immediate future now? You said you're working on your next thriller and another rom com, so what can people expect in the next few months or a year?

Nellie Neeman: So, the new book is coming out in time for Valentine's Day, that's going to be the third book in my Fabulous 50 Club series. It's called The Love Auction. It's a sweet, when I say sweet, it's kisses only, Hallmark style, closed door, so you don't see any intimacy on the page, and it's a later in life. So, these are five women that are hitting 50 and they find love in their life.

This particular book is about a woman who falls in love with the guy next door. That one's coming out for Valentine’s Day.

And hopefully I'll get book five, which is called Immortal in the thriller series out shortly thereafter. It's taken me a long time because I'm writing the rom coms, but I have to get that out.

Then in July, we'll have the rapid release of what's called the midlife Meet Cute rom com series. It's all been fun. If any of your listeners are interested in a free story, they can go to elliehartwood.com and they'll find a free story there. You just have to sign up to my newsletter, but it's there if people are interested in seeing how I write.

Howard Lovy: Okay. Now, this clean romance, is that an established genre or is it something you've made up? I'm sorry, I don't know much about the world of romance.

Nellie Neeman: It is huge. There's clean and wholesome romance. If you were to go to the categories on Amazon and click on romance, you will see so many of them. Later in life is its own category, rom com, and clean and wholesome is a huge category that has just taken off.

So, a lot of this business is looking at trends, and I have learned to really study what's coming up. So, later in life, sweet or clean romance, is on the upward trend, which is why I'm writing to market in that area.

Howard Lovy: Interesting.

Nellie Neeman: Yeah, there are a lot of subcategories there. Like I said, you have closed door, you have the kisses only, you have different levels of steam. People actually use different emojis for the hot pepper. If it's one hot pepper, it's low heat. And then if you have four hot peppers, it's like really steamy.

Howard Lovy: Like ordering from a Thai restaurant.

Do you have any last bits of advice that you have for other indie authors looking to break into what you're doing?

Nellie Neeman: Yeah, this is an interesting question, and when I read Janet Ivanovich, as she writes the Stephanie Plum books, she wrote a book for authors and one thing stuck out at me, and I've been telling people who are starting out in this business that I learned this, and I really stick with it. She said there were so many other people that were writing in her world and a lot of them fell away. The only thing that was different between her and everybody else was that she persevered. She just would not give up. She got tons of rejections. She just would not give up.

And that's what I keep telling myself when I have those days where I'm like, okay, wow, this was a hard day. I just keep pushing through.

So, that would be my advice. Even if you think you hit a wall, even if you think that people are not reading your masterpiece. It will get better. Keep writing, keep doing the thing you love, and you will eventually succeed

Howard Lovy: That's excellent advice. That's coming both from Nellie and Ellie, right? Both personalities. Wonderful, thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to talk to us.

Nellie Neeman: It was my pleasure. Thank you, Howard. It was really fun.

Howard Lovy: Thank you, Nellie. Bye.

Nellie Neeman: Bye.

Author: Howard Lovy

Howard Lovy is an author, book editor, and journalist. He is also the Content and Communications Manager for the Alliance of Independent Authors, where he hosts and produces podcasts and keeps the blog updated. You can find more of his work at https://howardlovy.com/

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